Case

Mike Rogers’s 9/11 accusation against Abdul El-Sayed

August 5, 2026

Published by The Dispute Index editorial teamPublished Updated

Mike Rogers attributed a belief about 9/11 to Abdul El-Sayed based on his association with Hasan Piker. El-Sayed rejected that belief and challenged the premise that campaigning together establishes agreement.

Question in dispute

Appearing at a political event with Hasan Piker does not establish agreement with all of Piker’s statements.

Abdul El-Sayed testifying at a United States Senate committee hearing in 2024

Overview

After Michigan’s August 2026 Senate primary, Mike Rogers asserted that Abdul El-Sayed believed America deserved the September 11 attacks. His campaign defended that accusation by citing El-Sayed’s association with Hasan Piker and reluctance to disavow him. El-Sayed had explicitly rejected justifying 9/11 and argued that appearing with a person did not imply agreement. He described Rogers’s attacks as an effort to divide voters through Islamophobia. Pod Save America hosts Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer later debated the strategy and construction of a related Republican ad without endorsing its factual claims.

Rogers’s August 5 campaign statement (opens in a new tab) concerns a belief he attributed to El-Sayed, not a quotation spoken by El-Sayed. The statement associated with Hasan Piker must not be reassigned to a different speaker. In his earlier Fox & Friends interview (opens in a new tab), El-Sayed expressly rejected justifying 9/11 while defending his choice of campaign company.

The competing argument concerns whether declining to disavow an ally warrants an adverse inference about political judgment or beliefs. El-Sayed’s August 5 response (opens in a new tab) called the attacks divisive; the campaign’s August 6 explanation is separately attributed to spokesperson Alyssa Brouillet. This is distinct from DI’s cases about Piker’s other statements and El-Sayed’s Temple Israel remarks. The displayed publication date is August 7, 2026. The April interview is earlier context, not a response to the later Rogers statement. Day-only dates do not establish a precise time of day.

Image: El-Sayed testifying before the U.S. Senate HELP Committee in 2024, not during these campaign exchanges. Public-domain U.S. Senate photograph via Wikimedia Commons (opens in a new tab), cropped by Dispute Index.

In an August 5 Pod Save America episode (opens in a new tab), Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer played an NRSC ad that used Piker’s 9/11 remark and analyzed its campaign strategy. Their statements are classified as mixed or conditional assessments of the ad’s construction and possible effectiveness, not as endorsements of the allegation or direct verdicts on Rogers’s separate attribution.

Claims

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Arguments

  1. Documented position

    Mike Rogers’s August 5 statement and Alyssa Brouillet’s August 6 campaign response.

    Campaign associations can be evidence of political judgment

    Rogers’s campaign treats continued association with Piker, coupled with reluctance to disavow him, as grounds for an adverse assessment of El-Sayed. The argument asks voters to judge the company a candidate chooses as well as the candidate’s individual statements.

    Related claim

    Abdul El-Sayed believes the United States deserved the September 11 attacks.

    Limit of this argument

    A judgment about an association is not proof of a particular belief. El-Sayed explicitly rejected justifying 9/11, so the stronger attribution in Rogers’s statement requires evidence beyond co-appearance.

    Sources

  1. Documented position

    Abdul El-Sayed, April 7 Fox & Friends interview and August 5 All In interview.

    An explicit rejection limits what association can establish

    El-Sayed distinguishes outreach to Piker’s audience from agreement with Piker’s statements. His recorded rejection of justifying the attacks directly contradicts the belief attributed to him; his later response challenges using his identity and associations to divide voters.

    Related claim

    Abdul El-Sayed believes the United States deserved the September 11 attacks.

    Limit of this argument

    Rejecting that attribution does not prohibit criticism of his decision to campaign with Piker or require voters to find the association acceptable.

    Sources

Subject's response

Response from Mike Rogers

Mike Rogers

Rogers attributed support for the idea that America deserved 9/11 to El-Sayed and used it to argue that his opponent was an extremist.

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Abdul El-Sayed

Responding to attacks from Rogers and other Republicans after the primary, El-Sayed characterized their approach as divisive and anti-Muslim rather than an accurate account of his priorities.

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Abdul El-Sayed

El-Sayed rejected justifying the attacks but defended appearing with Piker, separating agreement with a statement from engaging an ally’s audience.

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Response record

Other responses

6 latest responses. Dates: April 7, 2026 to August 6, 2026

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  1. Editorial labelDefended or excusedAlyssa BrouilletBrouillet defended Rogers’s accusation by pointing to El-Sayed’s refusal to disavow Piker’s comments.Role at the time: Spokesperson for Mike Rogers’s U.S. Senate campaign
    "Abdul was asked point blank if he’d disavow Hasan Piker’s comments, and he wouldn’t do it."
    Context, editorial note, and sources

    Responding to

    Abdul El-Sayed believes the United States deserved the September 11 attacks.

    Brouillet defended Rogers’s accusation by pointing to El-Sayed’s refusal to disavow Piker’s comments.

    Why we used this label

    She supplied the campaign’s rationale for the accusation in a direct response to a request for evidence.

    Before the statement

    PolitiFact asked the Rogers campaign to substantiate the accusation; its source list dates the email exchange to August 6.

    After the statement

    The report contrasted this rationale with El-Sayed’s explicit rejection of justifying 9/11. The private email itself is not reproduced in the public source; its attributed quotation is original interview reporting.

    PolitiFact documents Rogers’s accusation and his campaign’s supporting rationaleAlyssa Brouillet quotation; linked full April 7 event at 3:12:12; sources identify August 6 campaign email exchange
  2. Editorial labelCondemnedMike RogersRogers attributed support for the idea that America deserved 9/11 to El-Sayed and used it to argue that his opponent was an extremist.Role at the time: Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Michigan, issuing an official campaign statement
    "Never in a million years did I think that I would be running against someone who believes America deserved 9/11."
    Context, editorial note, and sources

    Responding to

    Abdul El-Sayed believes the United States deserved the September 11 attacks.

    Rogers attributed support for the idea that America deserved 9/11 to El-Sayed and used it to argue that his opponent was an extremist.

    Why we used this label

    The accusation is an explicit adverse judgment about El-Sayed’s beliefs and fitness for office.

    Before the statement

    The campaign release followed the Michigan primary and criticized El-Sayed across multiple policy areas.

    After the statement

    The release did not quote El-Sayed endorsing the attacks. His campaign’s later explanation relied on association and reluctance to disavow Piker, which must be distinguished from El-Sayed’s own recorded denial.

    Mike Rogers’s August 5 statement following the Michigan Senate primary - Mike RogersParagraph beginning with Rogers’s counterterrorism experience and ending with the accusation about America deserving 9/11
  3. Editorial labelChallenged the characterizationAbdul El-SayedResponding to attacks from Rogers and other Republicans after the primary, El-Sayed characterized their approach as divisive and anti-Muslim rather than an accurate account of his priorities.Role at the time: Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate in Michigan, interviewed by Jacob Soboroff on All In
    "So they’re going to use Islamophobia because their ideas are tired."
    Context, editorial note, and sources

    Responding to

    Abdul El-Sayed believes the United States deserved the September 11 attacks.

    Responding to attacks from Rogers and other Republicans after the primary, El-Sayed characterized their approach as divisive and anti-Muslim rather than an accurate account of his priorities.

    Why we used this label

    He directly challenged how opponents were presenting him; the characterization of their tactics is attributed to El-Sayed, not asserted by DI as a motive finding.

    Before the statement

    Rogers had issued his 9/11 accusation after the primary. The interview also addressed other Republican criticism, so the selected quotation is not exclusive to the 9/11 claim.

    After the statement

    El-Sayed emphasized shared concerns about family welfare, health care and economic conditions, and challenged Rogers to debates. His earlier explicit rejection of justifying 9/11 is recorded separately.

    El-Sayed responds to Rogers’s attacks in his August 5 All In interviewOriginal interview embedded at top, dated August 5; paragraphs quoting El-Sayed on division and Islamophobia
    PolitiFact documents Rogers’s accusation and his campaign’s supporting rationaleAlyssa Brouillet quotation; linked full April 7 event at 3:12:12; sources identify August 6 campaign email exchange
  4. Editorial labelCondemnedJon FavreauDiscussing the NRSC ad that linked El-Sayed to Piker’s 9/11 remark, Favreau questioned mixing a Muslim-extremism portrayal with a tax attack. He argued that a coherent economic-extremism argument would need different supporting material.Role at the time: Pod Save America co-host discussing the general-election attack strategy
    "I think you got to pick one."
    Context, editorial note, and sources

    Responding to

    Response to the case

    Discussing the NRSC ad that linked El-Sayed to Piker’s 9/11 remark, Favreau questioned mixing a Muslim-extremism portrayal with a tax attack. He argued that a coherent economic-extremism argument would need different supporting material.

    Why we used this label

    He criticizes how the attack is constructed while acknowledging why campaigns combine unpopular associations. The classification concerns his qualified assessment of the ad, not endorsement or rejection of the belief Rogers attributed to El-Sayed. The wording and speaker sequence were checked against the official full audio.

    Before the statement

    The hosts played an NRSC ad containing Piker’s statement and an allegation that El-Sayed refused to disavow it. Favreau mocked its combination of a religious-extremism portrayal and a tax message; Pfeiffer argued the combination could work.

    After the statement

    Favreau proposed keeping the economic attack coherent, then the discussion turned to El-Sayed’s strategy against Rogers. He did not explicitly endorse the ad’s allegations or give a direct factual assessment of Rogers’s separate statement. This entry is not an explicit refusal to answer and is not a Pod Save the World reaction.

    Bonus: Abdul El-Sayed Wins in Michigan feat. Bernie SandersOfficial full audio 20:06–24:23; Pfeiffer at 22:18–22:21 and Favreau at 22:21–22:23
    Automated transcript of Pod Save America’s August 5 El-Sayed bonus episode20:40–24:33; Favreau at 21:25, 21:39 and 23:04; Pfeiffer at 21:37, 22:13 and 23:37
    Podscripts transcript of Pod Save America’s El-Sayed bonus episodeNRSC ad discussion; block starting 00:20:57 contains Pfeiffer’s qualification and Favreau’s immediate response
  5. Editorial labelMixed or conditionalDan PfeifferPfeiffer argued that the NRSC ad’s portrayal of El-Sayed as extreme could make its economic accusations more persuasive to voters. He regarded the combined message as more strategically coherent than some critics did, while qualifying his assessment of the execution. He was assessing effectiveness, not endorsing the allegations.Role at the time: Pod Save America co-host and political strategist analyzing a Republican campaign ad
    "It's not the best version of that ad, but I understand the argument."
    Context, editorial note, and sources

    Responding to

    Response to the case

    Pfeiffer argued that the NRSC ad’s portrayal of El-Sayed as extreme could make its economic accusations more persuasive to voters. He regarded the combined message as more strategically coherent than some critics did, while qualifying his assessment of the execution. He was assessing effectiveness, not endorsing the allegations.

    Why we used this label

    His qualified argument concerns how the campaign ad might persuade voters. It is not support for Rogers’s claim that El-Sayed believed America deserved the attacks. The wording and speaker sequence were checked against the official full audio.

    Before the statement

    After hearing the NRSC ad, Favreau questioned its mixture of Muslim-extremism imagery and tax claims. Earlier in the episode Pfeiffer said he had donated to El-Sayed after the primary.

    After the statement

    Pfeiffer described the ad as a preview of a larger campaign that could link identity-based attacks and economic claims. Favreau disagreed about the message’s construction. Neither this strategic judgment nor Pfeiffer’s support for El-Sayed supplies a direct response to the truth of Rogers’s separate 9/11 assertion.

    Bonus: Abdul El-Sayed Wins in Michigan feat. Bernie SandersOfficial full audio 20:06–24:23; Pfeiffer at 22:18–22:21 and Favreau at 22:21–22:23
    Automated transcript of Pod Save America’s August 5 El-Sayed bonus episode20:40–24:33; Favreau at 21:25, 21:39 and 23:04; Pfeiffer at 21:37, 22:13 and 23:37
    Podscripts transcript of Pod Save America’s El-Sayed bonus episodeNRSC ad discussion; block starting 00:20:57 contains Pfeiffer’s qualification and Favreau’s immediate response
  6. Editorial labelMixed or conditionalAbdul El-SayedEl-Sayed rejected justifying the attacks but defended appearing with Piker, separating agreement with a statement from engaging an ally’s audience.Role at the time: Democratic U.S. Senate candidate in Michigan, interviewed on Fox & Friends
    "Of course I don’t think 9/11 was justified."
    Context, editorial note, and sources

    Responding to

    Appearing at a political event with Hasan Piker does not establish agreement with all of Piker’s statements.

    El-Sayed rejected justifying the attacks but defended appearing with Piker, separating agreement with a statement from engaging an ally’s audience.

    Why we used this label

    He combined rejection of the underlying sentiment with a defense of the campaign appearance; neither unconditional endorsement nor complete disavowal describes both parts.

    Before the statement

    He was asked about Piker’s controversial remarks before their scheduled Michigan campaign events.

    After the statement

    He criticized demands to avoid an appearance because of disagreement. This interview predates Rogers’s August accusation and is included as contrary contextual evidence.

    El-Sayed rejects justifying 9/11 while defending campaigning with Hasan PikerOpening interview quotations about 9/11 and appearing with someone without agreeing; embedded video 6392681742112

Timeline

9 timeline entries on this page. Dates: April 7, 2026 to August 6, 2026

  1. Challenged the characterization

    Abdul El-Sayed

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  2. Claim

    Rogers issues the accusation; El-Sayed challenges the attacks

    Rogers’s primary-response statement attributes a belief about 9/11 to El-Sayed. El-Sayed’s evening interview attacks his opponents’ framing as divisive.

    Sources

    Mike Rogers’s August 5 statement following the Michigan Senate primary - Mike RogersParagraph beginning with Rogers’s counterterrorism experience and ending with the accusation about America deserving 9/11
    El-Sayed responds to Rogers’s attacks in his August 5 All In interviewOriginal interview embedded at top, dated August 5; paragraphs quoting El-Sayed on division and Islamophobia
  3. Other

    Earlier context: El-Sayed rejects justifying 9/11

    Before campaigning with Piker, El-Sayed rejects the underlying sentiment while defending appearing with people whose views he does not share.

    Sources

    El-Sayed rejects justifying 9/11 while defending campaigning with Hasan PikerOpening interview quotations about 9/11 and appearing with someone without agreeing; embedded video 6392681742112

Sources

Mike Rogers’s August 5 statement following the Michigan Senate primaryMike Rogers

Official statement

Mike Rogers’s August 5 statement following the Michigan Senate primary

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Relevant passage: Paragraph beginning with Rogers’s counterterrorism experience and ending with the accusation about America deserving 9/11

About this source

Complete campaign statement retrieved. The accusation concerns El-Sayed’s supposed belief; it does not supply a quotation from him endorsing the attacks. Rogers’s campaign subsequently defended the inference by pointing to El-Sayed’s association with Hasan Piker. Other allegations in the release are outside this case.

Source details
Mike Rogers’s August 5 statement following the Michigan Senate primary (opens in a new tab) - Mike RogersParagraph beginning with Rogers’s counterterrorism experience and ending with the accusation about America deserving 9/11
Author
Mike Rogers; campaign release posted by Hinson Peed
Published
Accessed
Automated transcript of Pod Save America’s August 5 El-Sayed bonus episode

Archived source

Automated transcript of Pod Save America’s August 5 El-Sayed bonus episode

Read source (opens in a new tab)

Relevant passage: 20:40–24:33; Favreau at 21:25, 21:39 and 23:04; Pfeiffer at 21:37, 22:13 and 23:37

About this source

Complete automatically generated transcript with speaker labels and timestamps, used to locate the exchange. The original publisher corroborates episode identity, date and host names, and a separate Podscripts transcript corroborates the passage with different advertising offsets. The exact wording and speaker sequence were subsequently checked against the official full audio. The ad’s allegations are not the hosts’ own assertions; Pfeiffer’s assessment of persuasive effectiveness is not endorsement of their truth. The page’s automatically generated summaries and topic labels are not used as evidence.

Source details
Automated transcript of Pod Save America’s August 5 El-Sayed bonus episode (opens in a new tab)20:40–24:33; Favreau at 21:25, 21:39 and 23:04; Pfeiffer at 21:37, 22:13 and 23:37
Author
Musixmatch Podcasts; original program: Pod Save America
Accessed
Podscripts transcript of Pod Save America’s El-Sayed bonus episode

Archived source

Podscripts transcript of Pod Save America’s El-Sayed bonus episode

Read source (opens in a new tab)

Relevant passage: NRSC ad discussion; block starting 00:20:57 contains Pfeiffer’s qualification and Favreau’s immediate response

About this source

A second accessible automated transcript of the full episode corroborates the substance and short quotations, apart from rendering Favreau’s contracted wording as “got to” instead of “gotta.” It lists August 6, while the original publisher dates the episode August 5 because the official feed release crossed midnight UTC. Advertising offsets differ from Musixmatch. The exact wording and speaker sequence were subsequently checked against the official full audio; this transcript remains a discovery and locator aid.

Source details
Podscripts transcript of Pod Save America’s El-Sayed bonus episode (opens in a new tab)NRSC ad discussion; block starting 00:20:57 contains Pfeiffer’s qualification and Favreau’s immediate response
Author
Podscripts; original program: Pod Save America
Accessed
Bonus: Abdul El-Sayed Wins in Michigan feat. Bernie Sanders

Analysis

Bonus: Abdul El-Sayed Wins in Michigan feat. Bernie Sanders

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Relevant passage: Official full audio 20:06–24:23; Pfeiffer at 22:18–22:21 and Favreau at 22:21–22:23

About this source

The original publisher dates this bonus Pod Save America episode August 5 and identifies Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer as its hosts. Crooked Media’s page embeds the complete official Audioboom feed. The relevant section was checked directly against that audio after first being located through two separately generated transcripts. Tommy Vietor appears in an advertisement in one transcript, not as a participant in the exchange. This is not a Pod Save the World episode. The hosts assess the strategy of an NRSC ad that includes Piker’s 9/11 statement; they do not endorse the ad’s allegations or issue a factual verdict on Rogers’s separate assertion about El-Sayed’s beliefs.

Source details
Bonus: Abdul El-Sayed Wins in Michigan feat. Bernie Sanders (opens in a new tab)Official full audio 20:06–24:23; Pfeiffer at 22:18–22:21 and Favreau at 22:21–22:23
Author
Pod Save America / Crooked Media; Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer
Published
Accessed
PolitiFact documents Rogers’s accusation and his campaign’s supporting rationale

Reporting

PolitiFact documents Rogers’s accusation and his campaign’s supporting rationale

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Relevant passage: Alyssa Brouillet quotation; linked full April 7 event at 3:12:12; sources identify August 6 campaign email exchange

About this source

Original reporting includes the campaign’s response to a request for its evidence. Brouillet’s statement is a direct quotation from that exchange, not an inference from silence. The report distinguishes El-Sayed’s explicit rejection of justifying 9/11 from his refusal to disavow an ally. DI records that distinction without adopting PolitiFact’s rating as the case’s purpose.

Source details
PolitiFact documents Rogers’s accusation and his campaign’s supporting rationale (opens in a new tab)Alyssa Brouillet quotation; linked full April 7 event at 3:12:12; sources identify August 6 campaign email exchange
Author
PolitiFact
Published
Accessed
El-Sayed responds to Rogers’s attacks in his August 5 All In interview

Interview

El-Sayed responds to Rogers’s attacks in his August 5 All In interview

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Relevant passage: Original interview embedded at top, dated August 5; paragraphs quoting El-Sayed on division and Islamophobia

About this source

The broadcaster embeds the full August 5 interview and quotes El-Sayed’s response; its accompanying article was published August 6. The YouTube mirror is ZxcOGYPE16w. Automated extraction of that mirror returned an incomplete caption manifest, so no claim of a complete independently checked YouTube transcript is made. The broadcaster’s text and PolitiFact corroborate the response and date.

Source details
El-Sayed responds to Rogers’s attacks in his August 5 All In interview (opens in a new tab)Original interview embedded at top, dated August 5; paragraphs quoting El-Sayed on division and Islamophobia
Author
Allison Detzel / MS NOW; interviewee: Abdul El-Sayed
Published
Accessed
El-Sayed rejects justifying 9/11 while defending campaigning with Hasan Piker

Interview

El-Sayed rejects justifying 9/11 while defending campaigning with Hasan Piker

Read source (opens in a new tab)

Relevant passage: Opening interview quotations about 9/11 and appearing with someone without agreeing; embedded video 6392681742112

About this source

Original broadcaster’s account and embedded interview. El-Sayed rejects justification of 9/11 and argues that sharing an appearance need not signal agreement. This predates Rogers’s August accusation and is included as relevant context, not presented as a response made afterward.

Source details
El-Sayed rejects justifying 9/11 while defending campaigning with Hasan Piker (opens in a new tab)Opening interview quotations about 9/11 and appearing with someone without agreeing; embedded video 6392681742112
Author
Fox News / Fox & Friends; interviewee: Abdul El-Sayed
Published
Accessed

Accountability

Corrections

Corrections address errors in our reporting or labels. When a speaker changes their position, we add a separate statement and link it to the earlier one.

Reporting correction

Correction to: Statement by Dan Pfeiffer

Previous language
Private review: exact audio wording still requires a listening check.
Corrected language
The wording and speaker sequence were checked against the official full audio.

Removed a stale internal review note after checking the quoted passage against Crooked Media’s official full audio. The quote and classification did not change.

This corrects our account of what happened.

Bonus: Abdul El-Sayed Wins in Michigan feat. Bernie Sanders (opens in a new tab)Official full audio 20:06–24:23; Pfeiffer at 22:18–22:21 and Favreau at 22:21–22:23

The original publisher dates this bonus Pod Save America episode August 5 and identifies Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer as its hosts. Crooked Media’s page embeds the complete official Audioboom feed. The relevant section was checked directly against that audio after first being located through two separately generated transcripts. Tommy Vietor appears in an advertisement in one transcript, not as a participant in the exchange. This is not a Pod Save the World episode. The hosts assess the strategy of an NRSC ad that includes Piker’s 9/11 statement; they do not endorse the ad’s allegations or issue a factual verdict on Rogers’s separate assertion about El-Sayed’s beliefs.

Podscripts transcript of Pod Save America’s El-Sayed bonus episode (opens in a new tab)NRSC ad discussion; block starting 00:20:57 contains Pfeiffer’s qualification and Favreau’s immediate response

A second accessible automated transcript of the full episode corroborates the substance and short quotations, apart from rendering Favreau’s contracted wording as “got to” instead of “gotta.” It lists August 6, while the original publisher dates the episode August 5 because the official feed release crossed midnight UTC. Advertising offsets differ from Musixmatch. The exact wording and speaker sequence were subsequently checked against the official full audio; this transcript remains a discovery and locator aid.

Automated transcript of Pod Save America’s August 5 El-Sayed bonus episode (opens in a new tab)20:40–24:33; Favreau at 21:25, 21:39 and 23:04; Pfeiffer at 21:37, 22:13 and 23:37

Complete automatically generated transcript with speaker labels and timestamps, used to locate the exchange. The original publisher corroborates episode identity, date and host names, and a separate Podscripts transcript corroborates the passage with different advertising offsets. The exact wording and speaker sequence were subsequently checked against the official full audio. The ad’s allegations are not the hosts’ own assertions; Pfeiffer’s assessment of persuasive effectiveness is not endorsement of their truth. The page’s automatically generated summaries and topic labels are not used as evidence.