Hochul, at the governor debate, says of the shooting "That's not how you conduct yourself. ICE is out of control."

Kathy HochulGovernor of New York and Democratic candidate for reelection, at the governor debate on Spectrum News NY1

At the October 13 governor debate, Gov. Kathy Hochul said Blakeman had refused to condemn ICE and would accept agents shooting into vehicles without knowing who was inside, which she said could have killed a five-year-old child, and said ICE is out of control.

“he'd be fine if ICE agents shoot into cars, shoot guns into vehicles not knowing who's inside, and could have killed a five-year-old child ... That's not how you conduct yourself. ICE is out of control.”

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Watch the original video (opens in a new tab)New York governor debate between Kathy Hochul and Bruce Blakeman (Spectrum News NY1 livestream)Opening segment on cooperation with ICE, about 4:36 to 7:31.
An NYPD officer stands near vehicles and bystanders at the Marble Hill shooting scene.
Credit: New York City Police Department body-worn camera footage

Where this statement fits

Was ICE justified in shooting a man in a car in Marble Hill?

On October 8, 2026, an ICE officer shot a man in a car near Marble Hill Avenue and West 225th Street in Marble Hill, a neighborhood the NYPD placed in the Bronx and ABC News and The Intercept placed in upper Manhattan. DHS said ICE officers were conducting a targeted operation in the Bronx to arrest a man from the Dominican Republic with a prior grand larceny conviction and multiple prior arrests, and that an officer discharged his weapon during the incident. Mayor Zohran Mamdani said early reports indicated agents surrounded the man and his 5-year-old child in the car before firing multiple rounds. The NYPD said it was not involved and that the man was conscious at a hospital. NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch later said evidence at the scene indicates at least one ICE agent discharged seven rounds, striking the driver in the neck. At a press conference on October 9, ICE's Marcos Charles said the man accelerated into two ICE vehicles and toward other officers, and DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin said the agents feared for their lives. A federal judge later barred ICE from removing the man from the country or moving him outside New York and New Jersey while his habeas corpus petition proceeds.

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Original video

New York governor debate between Kathy Hochul and Bruce Blakeman (Spectrum News NY1 livestream) (opens in a new tab)Opening segment on cooperation with ICE, about 4:36 to 7:31.

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Full broadcast of the only debate between Gov. Kathy Hochul and Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman in the 2026 New York governor race; the first segment addressed the Marble Hill shooting.

Before the quotation

The moderator asked Blakeman whether he was comfortable with ICE's reported cuts to training and use of long guns in a crowded city. Blakeman blamed Hochul's sanctuary policies. Hochul then said that in his non-answer he refused to condemn what ICE did.

After the quotation

Between the two parts of the quotation, she said the shooting should shock everyone's conscience, including Blakeman's, and that she oversees more than 500 policing agencies in the state. She finished by saying ICE is out of control in Nassau County. Blakeman replied that it never would have happened but for her sanctuary policy.

How this statement is classified

Condemned

The label describes this statement's response within the context above.

Why this label?

The reference point is whether the ICE officer was justified in shooting the man in the car. Hochul describes agents who "shoot guns into vehicles not knowing who's inside" and says "That's not how you conduct yourself. ICE is out of control.", which rejects the shooting as improper police conduct, so we labeled it Condemned. The closest competing label is Challenged characterization, since much of her answer attacks Blakeman's response; it loses because she directly condemns the agents' conduct.

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