Means says he intended to get Wiles removed and that aides subverted Trump

Calley MeansFormer senior adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., interviewed on CBS's Face the Nation

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Calley Means says he wanted Susie Wiles removed and that President Trump has been subverted by people beholden to special interests, on CBS's Face the Nation, Nov. 8, 2026.

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Asked on CBS's Face the Nation whether he had intended to get Wiles removed, Means said yes and that Trump had been subverted by aides beholden to special interests. He named Wiles, Richard Walters, Walker Barrett, James Blair and pollster Tony Fabrizio, and said much of it happened without Trump's full knowledge.

“Yes. I think President Trump has been subverted by people that are beholden to special interests and not what President Trump ran on, and what voters voted for.”

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Open the original interview (opens in a new tab)Face the Nation transcript, Nov. 8, 2026: Calley Means · CBS NewsOpening exchange; Brennan asks whether Means intended to get Wiles removed

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Where this statement fits

Former RFK Jr. adviser Calley Means alleges Susie Wiles put midterm donor money ahead of MAHA policies; James Blair calls his claims false

On November 6, 2026, Calley Means, a former senior adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., said on Joe Rogan's podcast that White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect money from special interests for the midterm elections. Trump political adviser James Blair called much of it false, and the White House pointed to its MAHA record. Republican Sen. Ron Johnson said the corruption Means described reached the Trump administration.

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Interview

Face the Nation transcript, Nov. 8, 2026: Calley Means (opens in a new tab) · CBS NewsOpening exchange; Brennan asks whether Means intended to get Wiles removed

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CBS News transcript of Margaret Brennan's interview with Calley Means, a portion of which aired on Face the Nation on November 8, 2026, two days after his Joe Rogan interview and after Trump announced that Susie Wiles would be replaced as chief of staff.

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Before the quotation

Trump had announced that Stephen Miller would replace Wiles as chief of staff. Margaret Brennan asked Means whether his public allegations of corruption had been meant to get Wiles removed.

After the quotation

Asked whether his allegations were a factor in Wiles's departure, Means said he had no idea. Fabrizio said in a statement after the broadcast that Means's claim about him was false.

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The reference point is the allegation that Susie Wiles and other senior Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect donor and industry money. Means repeats the allegation and says he wanted Wiles removed over it.

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