Sen. Ron Johnson says the corruption Calley Means describes reaches the Trump administration
Ron JohnsonRepublican U.S. senator from Wisconsin, in an interview on Fox News's Saturday in America
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) tells Fox News's Saturday in America on November 7, 2026, that viewers should listen to Calley Means's interview with Joe Rogan and that the corruption Means describes reaches the Trump administration.
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On Fox News, Johnson urges viewers to listen to Means's interview with Joe Rogan and says the corruption Means lays out exists across government, including, he says, within the Trump administration, and has to end.
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Calley Means says White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect money from special interests for the 2026 midterm elections, and that Wiles told him she needed money from the sugar industry to win the midterms.
“You have to limit its size because as long as you have government, you're going to have the corruption that Calley Means lays out in gory detail within government, I'm sad to say within the Trump administration, okay? This is how government operates on a bipartisan basis. It's been going on for decades. It has to end.”
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Former RFK Jr. adviser Calley Means alleges Susie Wiles put midterm donor money ahead of MAHA policies; James Blair calls his claims false
On November 6, 2026, Calley Means, a former senior adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., said on Joe Rogan's podcast that White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect money from special interests for the midterm elections. Trump political adviser James Blair called much of it false, and the White House pointed to its MAHA record. Republican Sen. Ron Johnson said the corruption Means described reached the Trump administration.
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Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin on Fox News's Saturday in America, November 7, 2026. Asked about the midterm results and Senate leadership elections, he urges viewers to listen to Calley Means's Rogan interview and says the corruption Means describes reaches the Trump administration.
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Raw Story report, citing The Washington Post, on Sen. Ron Johnson's Fox News interview about Calley Means's allegations.
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Asked about Democrats' calls to end the filibuster after the midterm elections, Johnson says people analyzing the election should listen to Joe Rogan's podcast with Means, which he says lays out bipartisan corruption within all branches of government. He says government is the problem and that Republicans need to return to limited government.
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Later in the interview, Johnson says Republican supporters expected the party to drain the swamp and that "it seems like the swamp won." He says agency after agency has been captured by the corporations it regulates, and he calls for the Senate Republican leadership elections to be delayed.
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The reference point is the allegation that Susie Wiles and other senior Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect donor and industry money. Johnson accepts Means's account as a description of corruption within the Trump administration and says it has to end, which condemns the conduct Means alleged.
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Read the full caseWiles's spokesperson calls Means's accusations defamatory and provably false
“Calley Means' accusations are outrageous, defamatory, and provably false”Read statement
Means says people who know Wiles warned him she could inflict physical harm
“The amount of senior administration officials who have called me with stories of Susie's deranged betrayals of President Trump is revolting. People who know Susie well have warned me that she has the capacity to inflict physical harm, and I do not appreciate unhinged threats from James. ... What did I say that is untrue?”Read statement
Means says he intended to get Wiles removed and that aides subverted Trump
“Yes. I think President Trump has been subverted by people that are beholden to special interests and not what President Trump ran on, and what voters voted for.”Read statement
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