Calley Means says Susie Wiles told him she needed sugar-industry money to win the midterms
Calley MeansFormer senior adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., in an interview on The Joe Rogan Experience
On Joe Rogan's podcast, Means says the belief that money matters more than voters was Wiles's premise, and quotes her as telling him, "Calley, we can't do this, I need sugar money."
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Calley Means says White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect money from special interests for the 2026 midterm elections, and that Wiles told him she needed money from the sugar industry to win the midterms.
“I think it's a little bit of a game where everyone in DC convinced themselves that money is more important than voters. Again, that's the Susie Wiles premise, directly. Calley, we can't do this, I need sugar money. Direct quote. I need the money from the sugar people to win the midterms.”
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Former RFK Jr. adviser Calley Means alleges Susie Wiles put midterm donor money ahead of MAHA policies; James Blair calls his claims false
On November 6, 2026, Calley Means, a former senior adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., said on Joe Rogan's podcast that White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect money from special interests for the midterm elections. Trump political adviser James Blair called much of it false, and the White House pointed to its MAHA record. Republican Sen. Ron Johnson said the corruption Means described reached the Trump administration.
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Full episode of Joe Rogan's podcast with Calley Means, released November 6, 2026, about two weeks after Means resigned from the Trump administration. Means describes his time as a White House and health department adviser and accuses chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top aides of putting money from special interests ahead of Make America Healthy Again policies.
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The Hill report, as published on Yahoo News, on Calley Means's interview with Joe Rogan, quoting his account of what Susie Wiles told him about money for the midterms.
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Earlier in the interview, Means says Wiles was the most powerful chief of staff in modern American history and had a stranglehold on policy decisions. He says Wiles told him many times, "We need money for the midterms," and that from almost the first day the midterm strategy became the policy strategy, with aides saying certain things could not be done because they would hurt special interest configurations for the midterms.
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Means continues: "So I think it's a lie." He says Trump has won elections with much less money. Later he says Wiles texted him when he left, saying how much she admired him and asking him not to speak negatively of her.
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The reference point is the allegation that Susie Wiles and other senior Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect donor and industry money for the midterms. Means makes that allegation and criticizes the conduct, saying the premise that money matters more than voters is a lie.
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Read the full caseWiles's spokesperson calls Means's accusations defamatory and provably false
“Calley Means' accusations are outrageous, defamatory, and provably false”Read statement
Blanche says he will not act on Means's podcast allegations and praises Wiles
“Something that someone says on a podcast? No, I do not listen to that, absolutely not. Susie Wiles did an extraordinary job, not only as chief of staff, but as a leader in working with President Trump for the past several years.”Read statement
Sen. Ron Johnson says the corruption Calley Means describes reaches the Trump administration
“You have to limit its size because as long as you have government, you're going to have the corruption that Calley Means lays out in gory detail within government, I'm sad to say within the Trump administration, okay? This is how government operates on a bipartisan basis. It's been going on for decades. It has to end.”Read statement
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