Calley Means says Susie Wiles told him she needed sugar-industry money to win the midterms

Calley MeansFormer senior adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., in an interview on The Joe Rogan Experience

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On Joe Rogan's podcast, Means says the belief that money matters more than voters was Wiles's premise, and quotes her as telling him, "Calley, we can't do this, I need sugar money."

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Calley Means says White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect money from special interests for the 2026 midterm elections, and that Wiles told him she needed money from the sugar industry to win the midterms.

“I think it's a little bit of a game where everyone in DC convinced themselves that money is more important than voters. Again, that's the Susie Wiles premise, directly. Calley, we can't do this, I need sugar money. Direct quote. I need the money from the sugar people to win the midterms.”

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Watch the original video (opens in a new tab)Joe Rogan Experience #2578 - Calley Means2:22 to 2:45, 15:05 to 15:13 and 51:53 to 52:07

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Open source (opens in a new tab)Ex-RFK Jr adviser bashes White House on MAHA priorities · The Hill

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Former RFK Jr. adviser Calley Means alleges Susie Wiles put midterm donor money ahead of MAHA policies; James Blair calls his claims false

On November 6, 2026, Calley Means, a former senior adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., said on Joe Rogan's podcast that White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect money from special interests for the midterm elections. Trump political adviser James Blair called much of it false, and the White House pointed to its MAHA record. Republican Sen. Ron Johnson said the corruption Means described reached the Trump administration.

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Joe Rogan Experience #2578 - Calley Means (opens in a new tab)2:22 to 2:45, 15:05 to 15:13 and 51:53 to 52:07

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Full episode of Joe Rogan's podcast with Calley Means, released November 6, 2026, about two weeks after Means resigned from the Trump administration. Means describes his time as a White House and health department adviser and accuses chief of staff Susie Wiles and other top aides of putting money from special interests ahead of Make America Healthy Again policies.

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Ex-RFK Jr adviser bashes White House on MAHA priorities (opens in a new tab) · The Hill

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The Hill report, as published on Yahoo News, on Calley Means's interview with Joe Rogan, quoting his account of what Susie Wiles told him about money for the midterms.

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Earlier in the interview, Means says Wiles was the most powerful chief of staff in modern American history and had a stranglehold on policy decisions. He says Wiles told him many times, "We need money for the midterms," and that from almost the first day the midterm strategy became the policy strategy, with aides saying certain things could not be done because they would hurt special interest configurations for the midterms.

After the quotation

Means continues: "So I think it's a lie." He says Trump has won elections with much less money. Later he says Wiles texted him when he left, saying how much she admired him and asking him not to speak negatively of her.

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The reference point is the allegation that Susie Wiles and other senior Trump aides held back Make America Healthy Again policies to protect donor and industry money for the midterms. Means makes that allegation and criticizes the conduct, saying the premise that money matters more than voters is a lie.

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