Piker says the U.S. is worse than al-Qaeda "pound for pound as far as the number of deaths"
Hasan PikerTwitch streamer and political commentator, interviewed for "The Axios Show"
Asked in an interview for "The Axios Show" whether America commits more terrorism than the organization behind the September 11 attacks, Hasan Piker answered "Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths, yes," and said the United States has "caused tremendous terror all around the world." He grounded the claim in a U.S. missile strike that hit an elementary school in Minab, Iran, saying that killing 140 schoolgirls is an act of terror, while adding that this does not make all Americans terrorists and calling for accountability so that such strikes do not recur. Piker's casualty figure and his characterisation of U.S. conduct as terrorism are his own; the Associated Press found evidence at least one U.S. missile struck the school, but the death toll is not established.
“Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths, yes. … We have caused tremendous terror all around the world. … If you're killing 140 schoolgirls, that is an act of terror. This doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists, but the reality of the matter is we have to create an environment of accountability to ensure things like that never happen again.”
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Hasan Piker's Axios Show interview claims about terrorism, Iran, China and Israel
In an interview for "The Axios Show" conducted by Alex Thompson, Hasan Piker was asked whether America commits more terrorism than the organization behind the September 11 attacks and answered "Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths, yes," adding that the United States has "caused tremendous terror all around the world." He cited a U.S. missile strike on an elementary school in Minab, Iran, and said the analysis does not justify the September 11 attacks. Excerpts published September 17, 2026 also carried his view that the Middle East would be more stable if Iran had a nuclear weapon, while he said he does not want Iran, the United States, Russia or China to possess nuclear arms and was not advocating Iranian armament. The full episode, published September 18, added further contested claims: that Mao Zedong was "a great man of history" whose "excesses" were "deaths born out of mismanagement and famine"; that a Chinese child may have better conditions than an American one within two decades; that "Zionism is fascism" and that he is not worried his audience would turn violent against Zionists; and that Israel "in its current formation" should not be a U.S. ally. Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic Senate nominee in Michigan for whom Piker campaigned in the primary, rejected the al-Qaeda comparison. The dispute is whether these claims are defensible analysis of U.S., Middle Eastern and Chinese policy or indefensible positions, and what they mean for the candidates associated with him.
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Axios write-up of an exclusive interview with Hasan Piker for a new episode of "The Axios Show," datelined Los Angeles and published September 17, 2026. Asked whether America commits more terrorism than the organization behind the September 11 attacks, Piker answered "Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths, yes" and added "We have caused tremendous terror all around the world." The piece's "why it matters" section ties the remarks to Republican attacks in the Michigan Senate race after Democratic nominee Abdul El-Sayed had Piker campaign for him in the primary. The published article is brief; fuller quotation from the same interview is carried in TheWrap's report.
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TheWrap report of September 17, 2026 carrying fuller quotation from Piker's Axios interview than the Axios article itself, including his citation of a U.S. missile strike on an elementary school in Minab, Iran, and his statement that the analysis "doesn't justify" the September 11 attacks. It also carries Abdul El-Sayed's full statement to Axios rejecting the comparison, and his separate Fox 2 Detroit debate remarks of September 15 on why he engages with Piker. It notes the Associated Press found evidence at least one U.S. missile struck the school, that the Trump administration has not released the Pentagon investigation's findings, and that the death toll remains unknown; the 140 figure is Piker's.
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The exchange came in an exclusive interview for a new episode of "The Axios Show," recorded in Los Angeles, in which Axios put the comparison to Piker as a direct question.
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Piker also addressed his 2019 remark that "America deserved 9/11," for which he has apologised and which he has described as blowback from decades of U.S. involvement in the Middle East, telling Axios: "This doesn't justify the action, mind you. This is more so analysis to stop further violence from taking place, both violence in the region, but also violence in the home front as well." Abdul El-Sayed rejected the al-Qaeda comparison in a statement to Axios the same day.
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As the speaker of the claim under scrutiny, Piker asserts and defends it: he affirms the comparison directly in answer to the question, supplies a specific factual basis for it, and frames it as an argument for accountability rather than withdrawing or softening it. That matches how his own statements are classified in his other cases, such as 178 in the "Hamas over Israel" case. The closest competing label is “Mixed or conditional”, which loses because his qualification — that this does not mean all Americans are terrorists — limits the claim's scope without conditioning the comparison itself.
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