Derrick Van Orden says a chart of the VHA's current structure does not make any sense

Derrick Van OrdenU.S. representative from Wisconsin and member of the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, at the committee's hearing

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Van Orden holds up a chart of the VHA's current organization, says it makes no sense even upside down, and contrasts it with the VA's proposed structure, which he says would let employees know who they work for and be held accountable.

“This is the current structure. Right? What is great about this chart is you can look at it upside down and it still does not make any sense at all.”

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Read the original text (opens in a new tab)House Veterans' Affairs Committee hearing transcript: Opportunities with VHA Reorganization, February 11, 2026Hearing transcript, Serial No. 119-48

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VA consolidates its health care networks from 18 to five and caps staffing; Collins says it cuts bureaucracy, and critics say the caps strain veterans' care

On December 15, 2025, the Department of Veterans Affairs announced a reorganization of the management structure of the Veterans Health Administration, which runs the VA's hospitals and clinics. The VA calls the effort the Restructure for Impact and Sustainability Effort, or RISE, and describes it as its largest transformation in more than 30 years. It shrinks the VA's regional health care networks, known as Veterans Integrated Service Networks or VISNs, from 18 to five, adds health service areas beneath them and gives VHA Central Office responsibility for policy, financial management and oversight. The VA said the changes would take 18 to 24 months. The VA also lifted its health care hiring freeze in January 2026 but gave each network a baseline number of positions that it can exceed only with approval from a central hiring committee, and it removed vacant positions from its rolls. VA officials told senators the caps correct overhiring; Gregory Goins, the VHA's acting chief operating officer, said 14 percent staff growth against 6 percent workload growth was unsustainable. Secretary Doug Collins says the reorganization is not a reduction in force and that staffing at medical centers and clinics will not change. Republican committee chairs Mike Bost and Jerry Moran back the plan's aims, though Bost has his own bill for eight networks, and Moran said he would not want a cap to be the determining factor if problems develop. Democrats on both veterans' committees, and Kenneth Kizer, who designed the network structure in the 1990s, say the plan lacks detail and comes on top of large staff losses. Sen. Maggie Hassan told Collins that doctors and nurses are not overhead. As of November 13, 2026, the VA lists five networks on its website, which GAO says changed on July 15, 2026, and its RISE page says no offices or positions will be eliminated through the restructure.

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House Veterans' Affairs Committee hearing transcript: Opportunities with VHA Reorganization, February 11, 2026 (opens in a new tab)Hearing transcript, Serial No. 119-48

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Official printed transcript of the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs hearing of February 11, 2026, at which Secretary Doug Collins testified on the Veterans Health Administration reorganization. It includes opening statements by Chairman Mike Bost and Ranking Member Mark Takano and questions from committee members and from Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

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Responding to Takano's comparison with the 134-page plan for the 1995 reorganization, Van Orden said Congress often confuses quantity with quality and motion with progress.

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He contrasted the chart with one of the proposed structure, which he said would let employees know who they work for and be held accountable, and Collins agreed that was the aim.

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Why this label?

The reference point is the VA's reorganization of the Veterans Health Administration, announced December 15, 2025, and the staffing caps that came with it. Van Orden ridicules the structure the reorganization replaces and endorses the proposed one as more accountable, which defends the reorganization.

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